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Dec 2019

Hello, I have had the same problem with and item that costs £2 and amount disputing is £700+. Contact PayPal and they say they would one refund the £2 BUT will charge you the bank charge back amount of £15!per transaction. This is absolutely mad that for a small transaction going to be changed £15 through no fault of my own. Taken products off marketplace now. It advisable if you have any resent transaction to issue a refund now because they raise the claim and issue the charge back. PayPal Also said that I am going to loose the case anyways as there no seller protection.

We've had some more reports about this sort of activity in the past few days, where small purchases are being contested for outlandish amounts of money in chargebacks. It is likely that some scammers have found a way to exploit PayPal's dispute system.

We do not process any of the transactions or refunds on our side, so we cannot take any action from here. The safe processing of online payments is PayPal's entire job and we'll have to rely on them to take care of this problem.

Any records PayPal might need about your original orders are available in your E-junkie transaction logs to help resolve these disputes.

So far it sounds like PayPal only reverses the original amount of the purchase in the end, but if they apply any other fees as a result of these scam chargebacks I'd recommend escalating the issue with PayPal since these scam purchases only occurred to exploit a flaw in their system.

Thank you for your recommendation. Would it be alright if I forwarded them this communication as well to show that your site agrees with this being a scam?

I would say it's extremely obvious that any $800+ chargeback on a $3.00 purchase is wrong. PayPal administered that original $3 transfer. They know that transaction didn't involve nearly a thousand dollars, and your screenshot from PayPal says it was only $3.

The fact that so many of these cases are coming up in a short amount of time does suggest that some people have found a way to push bad chargebacks into PayPal's system as a scam in hopes that at least a small percentage of them go through before the trend is noticed. If it is not a scam and these mystery buyers actually paid nearly a thousand dollars on a $3 transaction that's still on PayPal's shoulders for overcharging them.

PayPal shouldn't be holding you accountable for any of this and I would personally recommend pressing them to return any related fees beyond the original transaction amounts.

Thanks for all the help! It's a good thing I've kept this tab open for updates because that's a pretty big load of my mind. I just hope that Paypal decides to listen.

Alright, just to let you guys know, the Russian e-mail accounts are filing their own scams now, too. I just had one do so again, so I'll be disputing five claims in total. Maybe it would be a good idea to send out a warning to customers about it?

We're going to bring up the matter of these excessive chargebacks with our contacts at PayPal. We've heard from a couple other sellers affected by this, and it seems absurd that you'd be held liable to cover any chargeback fees for what appears to be a scam exploiting some bug at PayPal's end.

Please email the affected Transaction IDs to support@e-junkie.com, and it may also help if you could also attach any screenshot(s) showing the excessive chargeback amount and original payment amount together on the same image (e.g. as @acadianfiddler provided above).

Alright, I'll send off an e-mail about it and include the affected IDs. Two of them haven't tried their chargebacks yet, so I can only send three so far, but I'll send the IDs and screenshots of the amounts. Anything to help get this nipped in the bud.

So I just received an e-mail from "merchanttechsupport@paypal.com" that was CC'd to several individuals saying that someone from an e-junkie e-mail requested technical support from Paypal, and that new details should be added in the "Merchant Technical Support Portal"? I just want to make sure this is real, and if so, ask if there's anything I need to do with it?

Sorry for any concern. You won't need to do anything.

We opened a ticket with PayPal MTS (Merchant Technical Support) to bring the matter to their attention, Cc:ing you and other affected merchants who reported the issue, to keep you informed of that ticket and PayPal's response to it. We also notified our contact in PayPal Partner Management, who referred the matter to their Risk department.

8 days later

Just a followup to mention PayPal tells us they have taken action against the offending accounts but cannot divulge any further details, so we hope this has let you off the hook for any fees related to these fraudulent chargebacks.

The three chargeback issues are still present in my Paypal Resolution Center without any new updates so far, but it might just need some time for them to update it. Thank you for everything you guys have done to help!

Thankfully, the last two seem not to have bothered trying with their scam after the first ones got caught, so you guys really did us a huge favour! Definitely recommending you guys to anyone who needs an online store service!

Apparently I spoke too soon. One of the remaining two has finally gone ahead with their fraud attempt, so it seems we aren't done yet and Paypal hasn't fixed their vulnerability.

We also received your email with further details about that latest fraudulent chargeback, so we've added that to the case we opened with PayPal.

Unfortunately, it looks like Paypal is going to try to close the cases with $20 chargeback fees because "Transaction for Digital Goods are not protected" according to their e-mail. I've already been hit with one chargeback fee for $20. It's insane that they actually make you pay fees for obvious scams, especially ones they've spent weeks dealing with with no response, but I guess I'm out $80-$100 in automatic fees over this scam. While you guys at E-Junkie have been great, and I'm definitely going to recommend you guys to anyone that needs your service, I'm definitely warning people away from Paypal at this point. Their conflict support has been trash.

Oh dear, how troubling. :slight_frown: We will bring this up with our contacts at PayPal and have replied to your email to request further details that should help us try to sort this out for you.

I've replied to the e-mail with the applicable information. Thank you guys again for all you've been doing. This is the best support service I've encountered yet, and is refreshing after what Paypal's doing.

1 month later

I'm just letting you guys know that scam is still going. Someone tried with me again, with a fake Chinese account. I actually successfully refunded it this time, so hopefully there won't be any consequences, but you guys should know that the exact same scam is still happening.

That's dismaying to hear, but glad you were able to refund their original payment amount -- was that just using the Refund link in the original payment details, or some other method?

Please also reply to our email chain on this with the affected Case ID from your PayPal Resolution Center, so we can bring that up with PayPal.